[Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open Access Conference on 21/22 March 2017
Katrine Weisteen Bjerde
k.w.bjerde at cristin.no
Tue Dec 6 07:27:35 CET 2016
Dear Virginia
In Norway we are also profoundly worried about the dominance of the large publishers, but we support the flipping model for almost the exact opposite two reasons that you gave:
- At least the open model makes it easier for alternative models to enter the market
- There is an absolute guarantee that not changing anything will keep the costsincreasing
I also agree that it is possible to implement the flipping in a way that increases cost (e.g. by not limiting the amount paid for APCs), which is why I believe it is so important to outline a set of best practice models.
Regards
Katrine
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Virginia Barbour, Executive Director, AOASG
>[mailto:aoasg.eo at gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 4:46 AM
>To: Katrine Weisteen Bjerde
>Cc: Jeffrey Mackie-Mason; advisory at oa2020.org
>Subject: Re: [Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open Access
>Conference on 21/22 March 2017
>
>Dear all,
>
>Greetings from a hot and humid Brisbane! I'm also very pleased to be part of
>this group.
>I support the idea of having a diversity of opinions and very importantly having
>examples of speakers from initiatives that have succeeded and would prefer
>this over theoretical discussion if time is limited. I presume SCOAP3 was
>discussed last year, other wise that is an obvious example. Knowledge
>Unlatched is another possibility.
>
>From the perspective of Australia and New Zealand I will say that there is still a
>lot of concern over the flipped model for two main reasons;
>
>* it perpetuates the dominance of large publishers
>* there is no guarantee that it will lower costs. Though I do note that
>SCOAP3 has been very effective in lowering effective APCS, what we see
>elsewhere is APCs that are out of control - especially for hybrid journals. In
>Australia and New Zealand we are very susceptible to currency fluctuation,
>which magnifies the problem - in any given year it's not uncommon for it to
>affect purchasing power by 10-25%
>
>Personally, I tend to be a bit more optimistic but I know that for many of the
>people I represent these are very large concerns. This is one reason why
>there are no Australian or New Zealand signatories to OA2020.
>
>What I think we have to be supporting as a future, and therefore ideally
>focusing on at this meeting, is a move away from a single model as currently
>represented as the subscription model we still largely have now to a
>landscape that includes a diversity of (flipped) models. Hence for day 2 in the
>Concepts session, we should go for as many lightning (5-10 min) talks as we
>can fit in. I am not sure I do think we should have participants from large
>publishers as they can tend to dominate the discussions.
>
>For the National Contact Points on day 1 I would also hope (selfishly, perhaps!)
>we can still include those who are likely to be observing OA2020 rather than
>signing up - which is likely to include Australasia for a while at least.
>
>All the best
>Ginny
>
>Dr Virginia Barbour
>Executive Director, Australasian Open Access Strategy Group - AOASG
>Brisbane, Australia ORCID : 0000-0002-2358-2440 <http://orcid.org/0000-0002-
>2358-2440>
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>On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Katrine Weisteen Bjerde
><k.w.bjerde at cristin.no> wrote:
>
>
> Dear all
>
> I support Jeff's view.
> To make myself more clear than in my previous e-mail:
> Although I also worry about how to support smaller OA publishers and
>alternative models, I do believe it is important in this conference to focus on
>the offsetting/flipping process.
> We will have a really hard time moving to OA if we do not manage to
>at least flip the majority of publishers.
> Also, if we manage to implement the flipping process in a good way, I
>believe the cost reduction process outlined in Jeff's articles can come true.
> I also believe that it is possible to implement flipping agreements in a
>"wrong" way that does give the publishers either the same or even increased
>market power.
> The focal point of this conference should therefore in my view
>continue to be on the fact that flipping is possible, working out what "good"
>flipping agreements looks like and on how we can get more institutions to
>agree so that we achieve critical mass.
>
> In order not to forget these other issues, I suggest we put them on
>the roadmap in a list of "themes for future discussion" in meetings of NPCs.
>
> Best regards
> Katrine
>
> P.S.: To all of you: Being part of this group not only lets me contribute
>to the agenda of the conference. All your comments and your links to articles
>are also fed into the ongoing process of establishing National Guidelines in
>Norway for Open Access!
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeffrey Mackie-Mason [mailto:jmmason at berkeley.edu]
> >Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:29 AM
> >To: Katrine Weisteen Bjerde
> >Cc: Ralf Schimmer; Ivy Anderson; Reckling, Falk;
>advisory at oa2020.org
> >Subject: Re: [Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open Access
> >Conference on 21/22 March 2017
> >
> >Hello all. I'm glad to be part of this group.
> >
> >On the discussion of sessions on alternative initiatives / small or
>society
> >journal models: Clearly there is a desire for some attention to this.
>But may I
> >remind us all that the core OA2020 intention is to get the majority of
>journal
> >publishing to flip very soon (er, 2020)...and to do that, it is essential
>that the
> >large publishers flip. And so I speak up for not letting the program
>get *too*
> >diluted from the core mission, or this risks becoming merely Yet
>Another
> >Open Access Conference.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >---
> >Jeff MacKie-Mason
> >University Librarian
> >Chief Digital Scholarship Officer
> >Professor, School of Information and Professor of Economics UC
>Berkeley
> >www.jeff-mason.com
> >
> >"Your job as a citizen and as a decent human being is to constantly
>affirm and
> >lift up and fight for treating people with kindness and respect and
> >understanding." Barack Obama to daughters Malia and Sasha
> >
> >On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Katrine Weisteen Bjerde
> ><k.w.bjerde at cristin.no> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Ralf and all
> >
> > My comments would go in the same direction.
> > Good program.
> > Important to not only focus on the big publishers, but also look at
> >how to support other initiatives. I am a bit worried to see OA
>newcomers
> >being bought by the big ones. (Co-action publishing bought by T&F).
>On the
> >other hand, these questions can be picked up in the roadmap
>discussions.
> >
> > Regards
> > Katrine (also on mobile)
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Advisory [advisory-bounces at oa2020.org] on behalf of Ralf
> >Schimmer [Schimmer at mpdl.mpg.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:58 PM
> > To: Ivy Anderson; Reckling, Falk; advisory at oa2020.org
> > Subject: Re: [Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open
>Access
> >Conference on 21/22 March 2017
> >
> > Dear Falk and Ivy,
> >
> > thank you very much for this first feedback and your suggestions.
>I
> >just want to confirm that such broader approach is already on our
>mind.
> >That’s why we suggest to have 2 sessions on “Concepts of
>Transformation” so
> >that we can accommodate also pathways beyond the big commercial
> >publishers. We will get back to this when we discuss potential
>presenters. If
> >you want to suggest names of individuals or initiatives, in addition to
>whom
> >Falk already mentioned, please let us know.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Ralf
> >
> >
> > Von: Advisory [mailto:advisory-bounces at oa2020.org
><mailto:advisory-bounces at oa2020.org>
> ><mailto:advisory-bounces at oa2020.org <mailto:advisory-
>bounces at oa2020.org> > ] Im Auftrag von Ivy Anderson
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 14:10
> > An: Reckling, Falk; advisory at oa2020.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open
>Access
> >Conference on 21/22 March 2017
> >
> > Dear Ralf and All,
> >
> > I would just like to join in support of Falk’s suggestion of a session
>on
> >alternative initiatives – I think it would be good to give voice to these
>efforts
> >as part of the overall transformational framework of OA2020. I
>assume this is
> >a recommendation for day 2 of the meeting.
> >
> > I look forward to further discussions –
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Ivy
> >
> > Ivy Anderson
> > Associate Executive Director & Director of Collections
> > California Digital Library
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> > From: Advisory [mailto:advisory-bounces at oa2020.org
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> > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 12:29 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open
>Access
> >Conference on 21/22 March 2017
> >
> > Dear All,
> > I'm very happy to work with you on that very important initiative.
> >
> > I find the proposed programme well thought out. But I have one
> >suggestion:
> >
> > For very good reasons, OA2020 concentrates on OA deals with
> >publishers, esp. big publishers. However, as an outlook, I suggest to
>reserve
> >a small slot for an impulse presentation at the end of the conference
>for the
> >following topic: „How to organise and fund Open Access publication
>models
> >and services beyond big commercial providers“.
> > I think, for example, of ideas, reports or initiatives like Squaring
> >Circles<http://cameronneylon.net/blog/squaring-circles-the-
>economics- <http://cameronneylon.net/blog/squaring-circles-the-
>economics->
> >and-governance-of-scholarly-infrastructures/
> ><http://cameronneylon.net/blog/squaring-circles-the-economics-
>and- <http://cameronneylon.net/blog/squaring-circles-the-economics-and->
> >governance-of-scholarly-infrastructures/> > (Cameron Neylon),
>Putting down
> >roots<http://knowledge-exchange.info/event/oa-dependencies
><http://knowledge-exchange.info/event/oa-dependencies>
> ><http://knowledge-exchange.info/event/oa-dependencies
><http://knowledge-exchange.info/event/oa-dependencies> > > (Knowledge
> >Exchange) or http://openaccessnetwork.org/
> >
> > Best Falk
> >
> > ___________________________________
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> > Von: Advisory [mailto:advisory-bounces at oa2020.org
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> ><mailto:advisory-bounces at oa2020.org <mailto:advisory-
>bounces at oa2020.org> > ] Im Auftrag von Ralf Schimmer
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 25. November 2016 18:47
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> > Betreff: [Advisory] Draft program for the Berlin 13 Open Access
> >Conference on 21/22 March 2017
> >
> > Dear members of the B13 Advisory Board,
> >
> > first of all, we would like to thank everyone of you for your
> >willingness to become a member of the Advisory Board of the Berlin
>13 Open
> >Access Conference. We are convinced that with your support the
>program of
> >Berlin 13 will fulfill everybody’s expectations and the conference will
>turn
> >out to be an informative and constructive exchange.
> >
> > Attached to this email, please find a text description of B13 plus a
> >draft program. At this point in time, we would like to discuss with you
>only
> >the description, the structure and perhaps the time allocation of the
> >conference. As we would like to put this up on the conference
>homepage,
> >we would like to receive your feedback by December 7.
> >
> > We do already have some speakers in mind; but, generally, we
>would
> >like to discuss speakers, moderators and additional details as a next
>step. For
> >this, we will again provide a basis for discussion.
> >
> > As this advisory board is composed of people from a maximum
> >variation of time zones we will try to avoid virtual meetings as much
>as we
> >can. Ideally, we want to base our discussion on emails via this listserv
>plus
> >perhaps a few individual or small group phone calls All in all, we don’t
>want
> >to take too much of your time but still try to be inclusive and efficient.
>In any
> >case, your ideas and suggestions are welcome at any time.
> >
> > For your first review it may be helpful to have some additional
> >background information:
> >
> > In the context of Berlin 12 the idea was discussed to build up a
> >network of national contact points for OA2020, similar to the NCP
>network of
> >SCOAP³. Hereby an inspired network capable of acting shall emerge
>to
> >coordinate, push and promote the necessary next steps for a
>successful
> >transformation to Gold Open Access in the countries concerned. The
> >cooperation in the NCP network shall support the regular exchange
>of
> >experience and shall channel and facilitate mutual assistance.
> >
> > On this basis, our wish for Berlin 13 is the further strengthening of
> >such a network integrating interested colleagues from as many
>countries as
> >possible. We are aware that in most of the countries further steps
>are to be
> >taken to obtain a somewhat ‘official’ mandate as NCP by the national
>science
> >system. Especially for this reason we consider a close cooperation
>among the
> >proponents and supporters of our emerging NCP network to be
>helpful and
> >necessary.
> >
> > Berlin 13 offers a good opportunity for those who are interested
>in
> >supporting OA2020 and volunteering as NCPs to get to know each
>other
> >better and to improve the trust-based relationship. In order to give
>this the
> >room it requires, we propose the first day of the conference to be
>restricted
> >to the intended audience and to conclude the day with a joint dinner
>(plus
> >perhaps a small social activity).
> >
> > The second day, on the other hand, will be organized as an open
> >forum for everyone who is interested in OA2020, including e.g. non-
>science
> >organizations, political representatives and publishers. The program
>for this
> >day will begin with a status report on OA2020. Then various concepts
>of
> >transformation will be presented and discussed, statements of
> >representatives from several countries and organizations shall round
>up the
> >program.
> >
> > At the end of day two, we plan to have a closed wrap-up session
>for
> >one hour with a small working party of NCPs, which we hope to
>establish on
> >day one. This working party could be the starting point of a broader
> >governance structure that could emerge over time.
> >
> >
> > Again, we are grateful for your support in preparing Berlin 13, and
>we
> >look forward to your feedback on our program ideas.
> >
> > With best regards,
> > Ralf Schimmer
> >
> > P.S.: I also re-circulate the member list of this Advisory Board –
>with
> >Falk Reckling and Georg Botz as additional entries.
> >
> >
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